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#21 SRA Kris

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 07:02 PM

I've been thinking about the possibility that when humans are sneaking around their area and trying to trick them they might think the humans are trying to take their land and their food. So maybe the aggression is them defending what is theirs?

 

I've also started thinking along those lines.

 

SO, the questions might now be:

If I want to see sasquatches - do I:

A ) sneak all over imitating them to present the idea that I'm attempting to take their land?

...1) Engage in sound imitations like howls, whoops and knocking

...2) sneak about and feign ignorance of their presence

...3) bring them out of their comfort zone with our actions

...4) act in a way that may be perceived as provacative for a sasquatch

B ) sneak all over imitating them to provoke a response so I can see a sasquatch?

...1) Engage in sound imitations like howls, whoops and knocking

...2) sneak about and feign ignorance of their presence

...3) bring them out of their comfort zone with our actions

...4) act in a way that may be perceived as provacative for a sasquatch

C ) present a more appropriate interaction to build a "trust" & "Respect" founded interaction by:

...1) giving a "personally identifying" call when entering the woods

...2) go through "their" homelands without attempting to be sneaky

...3) do not imitate behaviors or participate in goading activities

...4) leave gifts or other ways for some kind of cultural exchange to take place

...5) make my presence as consistent as possible to an area of known sasquatch activity by

.........visiting it on a regular interval (like ever 2 weeks for example)

...6) <insert your ideas here> to encourage some kind of neutral or positive interaction


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 08:16 PM

I've also started thinking along those lines.

 

SO, the questions might now be:

If I want to see sasquatches - do I:

A ) sneak all over imitating them to present the idea that I'm attempting to take their land?

...1) Engage in sound imitations like howls, whoops and knocking

...2) sneak about and feign ignorance of their presence

...3) bring them out of their comfort zone with our actions

...4) act in a way that may be perceived as provacative for a sasquatch

B ) sneak all over imitating them to provoke a response so I can see a sasquatch?

...1) Engage in sound imitations like howls, whoops and knocking

...2) sneak about and feign ignorance of their presence

...3) bring them out of their comfort zone with our actions

...4) act in a way that may be perceived as provacative for a sasquatch

C ) present a more appropriate interaction to build a "trust" & "Respect" founded interaction by:

...1) giving a "personally identifying" call when entering the woods

...2) go through "their" homelands without attempting to be sneaky

...3) do not imitate behaviors or participate in goading activities

...4) leave gifts or other ways for some kind of cultural exchange to take place

...5) make my presence as consistent as possible to an area of known sasquatch activity by

.........visiting it on a regular interval (like ever 2 weeks for example)

...6) <insert your ideas here> to encourage some kind of neutral or positive interaction

 

I much prefer C, but I don't make identifying calls.  All of my trips are coupled with fishing and/or prospecting and I use audio recorders and have a camera handy at all times.  One thing I am trying to work out is to put a night vision camera surveillance system (like some people put on their houses) on all 4 corners of my camper I use.  The problem with that is solving the power requirements throughout the nights.  I have had the camper shaken, but have never seen what did it.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:59 AM

I also choose C. It might take longer but I think the possible encounters will be of much higher quality.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:47 PM

SRA-Jim:

There are quite a few accounts throughout history of Sasquatch being aggressive. A lot of cases involved humans being aggressive toward them first. Many of the accounts in recent years appear to be swept under the rug. Why? Maybe as not to alarm the public? I am not sure. But most recently there are a large number of accounts of potential cases involving sasquatch even though the author doesn’t come right out and say so. The two set of books is called “Missing 411″. I have read both books and there are many of these cases that I feel must be involving sasquatch. On the other hand there are some cases that could have other explanations. I feel that we as a research group need to take and express that everyone venturing into the forest should take precautions and use the “buddy” system as much as possible. The squatch I have encountered have not been overly aggressive, but I have been escorted out of an area a couple of times. Yes they have the physical strength and size to harm us if they wanted. I feel that the majority of them are not interested in harming us, but like the human population there are those rogue individuals that may and will given the chance. The books “Missing 411″ are good reads on this subject. If you are going to read them I would recomend reading the eastern edition first. In it the author appears to have evidence that the forestry department has knowledge of the potential dangers that sasquatch can present. I say, like anything in the the forest we need to proceed with respect and caution.

 

"Missing 411" does have some alarming facts that implies Sasquatch abductions and killings do occur in our present day.  One compelling case was the abduction of 6-year-old Dennis Martin on June 14, 1969 when he suddenly vanished within a minute during a family outing.  The family was immediately calling out and looking for the child; so, it's not like he wondered off.  Around an hour or more later a family camping down that mountain saw a Sasquatch that screamed at them as it was carrying something over its shoulder.  If you listen beginning at the 27:45 minute mark at the video linked below the "Missing 411" author recounts this incident.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=J7jDy_rwFls

 

"Many" different Indian legends speak of children, in particular, and also adults being abducted and eaten by the individuals we know as Sasquatches.  So, I believe there is a possibility of unprovoked danger from some of them, but I also believe most Sasquatches don't engage in that behavior.  Indian legends speak of their weapons being useless against them, but I feel the introduction of guns into the North American forests has made them more leery of humans and may have altered the predation of humans by Sasquatches.  Also, I wonder if the mass search efforts generated by a missing person gives them pause about taking one.  Among David Paulides' safety suggestions is not traveling alone in wilderness areas.  I agree that the majority of them are not interested in harming us, but just like in human society you can have rogue elements that will.  



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 08:35 AM

Right on Jay. That is one reason we request people attending an expedition adhere to the "buddy system". Other reasons are of course for other safety concerns as well as the old saying "two heads are better then one". In this case four eyes are better then two in the event there is an encounter, or we discover evidence.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:58 PM

I agree.  We should not engage in field study alone.  The mysterious disappearances highlighted in David Paulides' books hinges around people who are alone, sometimes just briefly.  Although Bigfoot most assuredly has been involved in some of this, we should be cautious on how much we ascribe Bigfoot involvement.  Paulides outlines patterns in the missing person cases, and regarding children he noted the high percentage of cases where the child was with a relative that was not the parent when the disappearance occurred.  That could mean a relative is not as attentive in keeping track of the children leading to several possible scenarios: it makes it easier for a Bigfoot to abduct or it makes it easier for the child to get lost, fall prey to an animal, or be abducted by a pervert.  Also, I suspect that sometimes when parents claim they only took their eyes off of the child for a moment they are creating cover for themselves to avoid embarrassment and blame.  We should not underestimate poor parenting factors.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:06 PM

I won't bring any kid under adult size into an unfamiliar sasquatch zone.  Each group of sasquatches have their own personality that you get to know after being around them for a while.  Two main groups I have interacted with over the years, one in WI and on in MN I actually trust now and do bring my kids with on those trips.  Those squatches have earned my trust, just as I think I am earning theirs.  I can't really put my finger on the "Why", it is just something intangible and a lot of little things that have added up.

 

One other group I have interacted with in MI though I will not bring my kids to, or at least not let them more than a few feet from me when there. I also don't like taking women to that site.  Those squatches I feel got very close to nabbing one of our female researchers, to the point that we sort of formed ranks around her the rest of the trip.  Even so the squatches worked to try to drive the guys away from her.  Those squatches scare me, and I don't really like going to that site anymore if I can help it. I have a similarly creepy feeling from a group of them in MO that we are working with; I distinctly felt like I was the target there.  Could be they just wanted to get rid of me though.

 

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:55 PM

Their focus on human females is interesting and disturbing.  Not long ago a lady posted to this community board of experiencing an attempted abduction, which would be great if she shared that story.   Indian legends speak of women being captured and either eaten or used as mates for Sasquatches.  I read about a case of an Indian teenager in the 1950's who was visiting some relatives and went out to pick berries in the woods alone and was abducted but escaped after one month, returning all dirty from living in the outdoors.  There was no comment on whether she was sexually abused but I assume that was the case. 

 

I assume many here are familiar with the so called, "highway of tears" along highway 16 in Canada where over the last 3 decades many people have gone missing, almost all of them women or children who were at campgrounds or hitchhiking along that highway, and rarely have bodies ever turned up.  In different articles I've read different estimates of how many people have gone missing, ranging from the forties to the sixties that have disappeared.  Canadian law enforcement believes a serial killer is involved.  Society is geared to look for other explanations besides Sasquatches, even a lot of the Bigfoot community downplays possible dangers posed by Sasquatches.

 

I've read a speculation that Sasquatches were once more bold in accosting humans, being the top predator, before guns were introduced into the wilderness causing them to be more leery of accosting humans.  I recently read how a Sasquatch had been observed watching a family for a while from behind some bushes, but as soon as a boy pulled a BB gun out of his tent it took off running through the woods.



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 01:43 AM

Right on Jay. That is one reason we request people attending an expedition adhere to the "buddy system". Other reasons are of course for other safety concerns as well as the old saying "two heads are better then one". In this case four eyes are better then two in the event there is an encounter, or we discover evidence.

 

I thought about this comment by Jim after I just ran across this article, I presume of hunters who ventured out alone.  I wonder if David Paulides knows about the four men who went missing in the same area over a two year period, and one broken rifle was found.  Here's a paragraph on that subject:

 

"Seeley Lake Glacier Creek Area, Montana

October 1959

 

"Roy W. Rye, a university educated experienced bear hunter from Billings, Montana was out hunting grizzly in the early afternoon upon seeing large tracks in the snow he noticed a creature resting its head and arms on a fallen tree five or six feet above snow.  It had a large flat head, sloping shoulders, stubby ears, short neck, was brownish gray haired.  It screamed and rocked from side to side and slobbered.  Four men disappeared in this area in two years.  Broken rifle found.  This report was published in "Montana Sports Outdoors" in December of 1960 and in "Saga Magazine" in January of 1961.. JG BC Archives."

 

http://www.bigfooten...ldermontana.htm

 

The following link is to a story in the mid 1800's of a battle between Indians and Sasquatches over stolen and devoured children.  The author suggests that Sasquatches have been pacified by the introduction of guns whereas before guns were introduced they were much more aggressive as the apex predator because Indians had no good way to kill them before they had guns.  The author, Robert Lindsay, makes this comment:

 

"Bigfoots have probably learned to fear and respect us due to our weaponry, and that is why they are much more pacifistic than they were in the Indian era and even during the early era of White settlement of the West.  Most animals figure out who the apex predator is and leave it alone. In North America, humans are the apex predator par excellance."

 

http://robertlindsay...-oklahoma-1855/



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:15 PM

One other group I have interacted with in MI though I will not bring my kids to, or at least not let them more than a few feet from me when there. I also don't like taking women to that site.  Those squatches I feel got very close to nabbing one of our female researchers, to the point that we sort of formed ranks around her the rest of the trip.  Even so the squatches worked to try to drive the guys away from her.  Those squatches scare me, and I don't really like going to that site anymore if I can help it.

 

Andy

 

I thought of your comments about Sasquatches trying to separate the guys away from a female researcher to possibly nab her after hearing what a female researcher said on the following video.  She comments, "The creature was like leaving a bread crumb trail for me to follow these noises.  It wanted me to get away from Todd and follow him, absolutely, and the more closer I came to him the more the noises became pronounced."

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=4eMklx6ubU4

 

The above video clip has comments from Dr. John Bindernagle, Dr. Jeff Meldrum, Todd Standing, and Sonya Zohar, the lady who made the above statement who is labeled as an interspecies communicator, whatever that is.  I listened to another video of Dr. Meldrum talking about his possible Sasquatch sighting and the one he saw was standing about 15 feet from that same lady, and they suggested had she not been there to attract the Sasquatch they might not have had the sighting.

 

So, guys, we know what to use for bait  ;)   Oh, don't take me serious. ;)



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 01:54 PM

Actually, it is long standing joke among most of the female researchers I know that they want to get T-shirts printed that say "Squatch Bait," though I don't think any have done so other than just talk about it.

 

My teen and preteen boys also seem to be pretty good at getting the squatches to come in as well. 


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:25 AM

   Here is my thought and what I do. First always show them respect. When you go into their home make lots of noise. Like knocking on the door to someones home. Do not try tricking them as it just pisses them off and they go away. Use a call that's human and stick with it. That will identify you to them. I use a 4 toot whistle that's my call and they respond back to me. To mimic them is again trickery so I do not do that. It all begins with trust and trickery will never get you to our ultimate goal of being able to interact with them without either of us fearing each other. If you feel you need to carry a gun to make peace, just stay home. Wood knocks are something I only use to warn them of danger. From what I can tell 6 is danger and 1 is an all clear. 

  The self proclaimed experts you see on the television are so very wrong on many points. As an example the f-tards on the show "Not Finding Bigfoot" They use trickery to get a hostile reaction for the camera shot  as well as fame and glory. I find this to be highly irresponsible and is likely to get someone killed. Do not do what they do! I think their results speak for themselves. The methods they use are flawed. In that a lot what they do out in the field is just acting. As an example when they go shh shh shh that was a squatch. OK if there were sounds that they believe were made by Bigfoot. Why , with all the best equipment that money can buy do they never have any good sound analysis like on an audacity sound program? I am of the opinion they got skunked and have to have something for the show. Remember it is entertainment. 

  Andy when you were here and got zapped it was because of your own actions and not showing them respect. You crossed the line with them and ignored their warning. And when you and Kris returned to the house and you could hear what sounded like 50 coyotes going off. I told you guy that you made them mad. It may be hard for you to ever gain their trust and have them interact with you but I would like you guys to visit again as activity has been off the hook.



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 03:14 PM

  Andy when you were here and got zapped it was because of your own actions and not showing them respect. You crossed the line with them and ignored their warning. And when you and Kris returned to the house and you could hear what sounded like 50 coyotes going off. I told you guy that you made them mad. It may be hard for you to ever gain their trust and have them interact with you but I would like you guys to visit again as activity has been off the hook.

 

You might be right on having made them mad by not announcing ourselves.

Our intent was to get a feel for the place at night.  

The next time we do some research at your place, we will be announcing ourselves, I am certain of that.


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Posted 02 September 2014 - 06:44 PM

Hello All,

There is so much to comment on with this subject that this post as at risk of being way to long so I'll begin with a short thought. Animals are intelligent and in some form or another communicate to those of similar species whether it be birds, foxes, fish or Humans. There is also a recognition factor among species through body language which is the chief mode of communication IMO.

That said, the recognition through body language part, starts off very basically through a creature's form. like when dogs perk up ipon thay see other dogs. We should be able to determine a lot just knowing that about living creatures. So let's take Sasquatch. I think it not out of the realm during initial contact to think that because of our size compared to BF adult, like maybe an Alpha Male, we may at first LOOK like one of their juveniles- simply on the basis of form and size.

That might be the initial curiosity factor. We may generally be of the size where a parent would allow a certain amout of watchful independence but remain close by in case there is any dangers lurking....like bears perhaps.

This initial view could take anywhere from a few seconds to several minutes in which a Sasquatch may be looking to see maybe just where that "adult" might be lurking. Once the realization kicks in that what they are seeing is NOT a Sasquatch juvenile then perhaps that is when changes in behavior may occur; or an announcement of it's presence. I've brought this idea up elsewhere but there was never much of anything in response to it.
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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:44 AM

hiflier, who knows what all can offend them and make them angry.  One man posted here that he had been hiding in a ghillie suit, then finally took it off, upon which a sasquatch threw a rock and broke several of his ribs.

 

I could see how that kind of suit could confuse one, but I assume due to our appearance, especially clothing, they recognize people fairly quickly if they've seen humans before.  One case of mistaken identity that I've read about though was of a hunter standing on top of a tree stump while wearing a dark heavy coat with a hood, and a sasquatch up the hill from him whistled and waved at him, but once the sasquatch realized he was not one he moved on.  I don't doubt that they can at times, at least initially, make a mistake in some cases just like at a distance we can mistake them for humans.  But as far as them being easily confused that humans are juvenile sasquatches, even if that easy confusion is only initially, I don't put them in the dumb beast category like other life outside of man;  I think they may be more intelligent that a lot of people believe.

 

I read an account of a man, while walking on a path in the woods, saw a sasquatch walking in the woods, traveling in a different direction, but both were somewhat facing each other as they walked, and the man waved at the sasquatch and the sasquatch waved back, acknowledging his wave.  But I don't think he misidentified the man, rather I feel it attests to a higher intelligence, being able to communicate back the man's non-verbal message.



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Posted 03 September 2014 - 11:15 AM

Hello jayjeti,

Thanks for your reply and your thoughts. The guy in the guillie may have been a bit frightening as it isn't often that a Human dons and then removes their "skin" so to speak. It must've looked pretty weird. Interesting notes on the wave thing; I had not heard of that happening. And yes I'm sure like us and any other creatures similar in appearance there is a second or two at least involved in making a full evaluation of what is being witnessed on either side of the encounter. I began a thread once elsewhere on what I called the defensive "freeze" which I'm sure is a more complicated maneuver than simply being defense although in the instant of a sighting that may be the reason- a brief halt to let all senses focus on a subject for determining fight or flight or whether there is anything to fear at all.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 12:10 PM

hiflier,

 

The guy who was hit with a rock after taking the suit off is post # 11 in this thread, "Are Sasquatches Dangerous?"  He was leaving, and it probably got hot in the suit.



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Posted 25 April 2015 - 05:17 AM

This video affirms that sasquatches can be dangerous.  It focuses on people killed at a campsite in California.

 


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Posted 25 May 2015 - 10:26 PM

http://www.abovetops.../thread8746/pg1

 

The Bigfoot Bulletin of October 31, 1970, published by California
researcher George Haas, carried a fantastic letter from an army
trainee
named Nick E. Campbell at Fort Ord, California. He related that two
Texas
National Guard privates, one of them a minister, had told him that at
Longview where they lived, there were reports from about 1965 of a
giant
hairy creature roaming the back country between there and Jefferson,
Texas. They said that the creature had reportedly killed a couple of
people. Reverend Royal Jacobs told him that as a teenager he was a
member
of a posse that hunted the creature and he had seen the body of a
person
the creature had torn apart. 


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Posted 10 June 2015 - 11:08 PM

Reading this thread has got me to wondering.  I've mentioned before the remote property my wife and I own in Okanogan County, Washington and a couple of things that have happened there over the years.  Lately there have been a number of incidents that have me concerned that there might be an aggressive sasquatch in the area.

 

It started harmlessly enough last summer.  I had just arrived at the house to do some work and was in the process of unloading my truck when I had the distinct feeling of being watched by something on the hillside to the south.  As I was walking up the driveway to unlock the outbuilding above the house, I heard something large moving in the brush up on the hillside going the same direction I was.  When I stopped to listen, the sounds of movement also stopped.  When I would start to walk again, the sounds would resume and stop again when I stopped.  As I was standing there trying to see what was on the hill, there was a single, sharp, clear, wood knock from the spot where I had heard the movement.  After that, I heard nothing else and the feeling of being watched went away.

 

Later that fall my wife and I were sitting in the living room one night when we heard what sounded like small rocks or pebbles hitting the outside of the house.  That side of the house faces a dense woods about 60 feet away to the east.  I doubt this was a case of human pranksters as there was no one else around the area at that time.  Also, no one up in that country would throw rocks at someone else's house at night as they would likely get a bullet for their trouble.

 

We didn't get up to the property during the winter on account of snow but returned for a weekend in March.  We had just gone to bed at about 11 PM when there was an extremely loud 'thud' like that of something heavy hitting the outside of the house just below the bedroom window, which is about 8 feet above ground level at that point.  At first we thought that the sound might have come from inside as the result of a heavy object (equivalent to a 50lb sack of cement dropped from chest height) falling and hitting the floor.  However, an inspection of all levels of the house revealed no object that fell or could have fallen.  I did not go outside at the time but did so the next morning.  The ground next to the wall where the 'thud' occurred was very dry and hard and covered with a thick layer of fir needles from the large trees growing nearby.  I found no tracks, no marks on the side of the house, and no rocks or pieces of wood that might have been thrown against the house.

 

The latest incident ocurred the weekend before last.  We were asleep, my wife in a recliner in the living room with our 10 year old grandson who was on the sofa while I was in the same bedroom as in March.  Sometime around midnight I was awakened suddenly from a deep sleep by what sounded like a pistol shot going off next to my ear.  I suspected a rock had hit the outside of the house with great force on the wall against which was the head of my bed, but waited until daylight to investigate.  When I did so the next morning I found a rounded rock about an inch in diameter lying loose on the ground below the section of wall closest to where my head had been.  I don't know that it was what hit the house, but its presence there seems suspicious.  Neither my wife nor grandson heard the sound, which also suggests it was generated close to my head.

 

I don't know that these things are being done by a sasquatch, but there seems to be a pattern of escalating violence that has me wondering if I should be concerned about our safety at that property.  I'm hoping that those here with more experience in these matters can suggest whether it seems like any of this is cause for concern.

 

Thanks in advance for any advice.







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